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Kurt Brown hails from Sacramento, California, where his family joined the Church when he was young. He played two years of college basketball, studied Finance and Economics at Brigham Young University, and dropped out senior year to go to Wall Street, where he was a trader on the New York Stock Exchange and the co-manager of an investment fund for 13 years. He started his own firm, TownSquare Capital, in 2018 and sold it to a larger, national firm (Orion) in 2022.
In the Church, his callings have included single adult ward bishop, Young Men president, scoutmaster, Gospel Doctrine teacher, elders quorum president, and ward clerk. He served in the Canada Halifax mission. Kurt and his wife, Katie, have been married 16 years and have four children: one biological son, an adopted daughter, and two special-needs foster children they adopted. Kurt and Katie have been called to serve as the mission leaders of the Washington Tacoma Mission starting July 2023.
Highlights
03:40 Introduction to Kurt Brown, his childhood, his family joining the church, and his mission.
12:30 Working at wall street, going to college, and playing basketball.
15:20 Slipping away from the church for a time. Kurt’s faith journey and ending up back in Utah.
19:00 Coming back to Utah, getting his life back in order, got married at 35.
21:30 Kurt helped create a mid-singles ward in Provo, Utah and was the bishop of that ward. He talks about what he did to start the ward.
30:00 Establishing positive culture at church. They did this by creating a space that felt like the savior was present. The first weeks they had 120 people and within 5 months they had 500 people attending.
33:30 The experience that people need at church is to feel warm and welcomed. Every Sunday after sacrament meeting they would break into visitors meeting. Kurt shares what they would share with people in those meetings.
36:30 From the very first visitor’s meeting they established the culture. Everyone got vulnerable, shared their stories. Every single meeting was focused on helping people feel hope and the holy ghost.
37:50 There is something powerful about sharing our stories. When hearing people’s stories we need to have as much compassion as the savior would.
40:00 You aren’t the gatekeeper. You are the welcoming committee.
41:30 In three years they never assigned a topic for sacrament meeting.
42:15 Kurt constantly invited people to come see him and unload their pain on him.
43:20 Kurt shares an experience with President Eyring. President Eyring taught that while we are a handbook heavy church, the handbook is not what we are doing. It’s about love, not a checklist from the handbook.
45:40 After serving as bishop, Kurt has been able to see people in a completely different way. He is no longer a harsh judge.
47:50 Creating a bishop’s office that is a place to unload pain and feel hope.
49:00 Too many bishops insert themselves too much in other people’s repentance process. You are not their parole office. You are their advocate. You help carry the baggage.
52:20 Helping people with repentance
- Setting the framework
- The people choose their own path to repentance, not the bishop
- Take the focus off the shame and shift it to creating better self worth
1:02:30 Letting people choose their own path to repentance. What’s meaningful and personal to people is different and that’s why a repentance checklist from the bishop isn’t going to work for everyone. They have to work with the Spirit to find out what they need to do to repent.
1:05:00 Disciplinary council is the last resort. We have to lean to the side of compassion and listen to the Spirit. 1:08:45 Getting in trouble as bishop because he refused to kick anyone out of the ward just because they didn’t live in the boundaries. He felt strongly about protecting ‘the one’ and giving them a home.
1:12:20 Getting called as mission president
1:21:50 Compassion is the number one thing that Kurt has learned from being a leader.
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Kurt and Katie! (And their kiddos!) I just don’t have words enough to express the impact the Browns had on HUNDREDS of members of the church who don’t happen to be married.
No one could have been more perfect to blaze the trail they did (no else is nearly as rogue as Kurt ????) and also be such an example of the compassion and mercy of Jesus Christ.
The beauty, and maybe the glory, of the thing Kurt got to help create is that the ward has only gained speed and steam and continues to bring the love and mercy of the Atonement of Jesus Christ to all who want it.
Thanks to both Kurt and Kurt for telling this story, sharing this journey and spreading the Good Word.
Good luck as a mission leader! What a blessing! To everyone!
I have listened to this podcast over and over again. It is so inspiring and it’s nice to know I’m not the only convert to the church with a pioneer heritage! I was a YSA Branch President and can so relate to the power of true healing through Jesus Christ. I saw lives change and it was because of showing compassion and love to each young adult that came into my office. Knock shame out the window please! Love is the key to true healing from sin. Thank you Brother Brown for your wisdom and true love of Christ.
Kurt Brown, you are an incredible leader! Thanks for modeling true servant leadership. I’m a RS president in SLC and my bishop and I both loved this interview. Courageous, compassionate discipleship is what this world needs right now!
Kurt, I don’t know how to reach you, but if you’re willing to connect, I would love to touch base before you head to Tacoma. Our son Jack is moving to Tacoma in August to attend the University of Puget Sound. He has chosen to do a year of college before a mission, and we can’t think of a better role model to be connected with than you! He would love to be involved with your lucky missionaries, many of whom will be his age. If there is a possibility of an email conversation with you, we would be so grateful.
Thank you! God Bless You!
As a long-time follower of LeadingSaints I’ve listened to hundreds of the podcasts and this one stands out as one of the most inspriational and thought provoking of any of them! I can’t wait to share this with our Ward Council – everyone needs to listen to this and implement being a Welcoming Committe, rather than a Gatekeeper!
I love this interview.
Brother Brown’s perspective is so refreshing at a time when the saviors love is needed more than ever for those who for whatever reason have stepped away from the church.
Listening to his approach literally created a spiritual awakening in my soul as I’ve always felt the same feelings about those who are struggling to stay active. Instead of them feeling shunned for sin, he wraps his members with the loving arms of the savior.
I’m a believer that there is a rising generation of leaders in the church today will continue to teach love and acceptance no matter what.
Bishop Brown has shown through his personal example and success as a Bishop that love always prevails.
A friend sent this podcast to me and I have to say this is one of the best talks I have ever heard! I’ve been a member for 18 years and I have listened to this podcast 3 times now because each time I hear something that makes me think, I need to never forget that! Every Bishop needs to hear this, the main thing that stuck out to me is to think how Jesus would treat others with love and compassion. Thank you so much for sharing this life changing wisdom!