In this podcast, Kurt Francom sits down with four Evangelical Protestant pastors, Jeff McCullough of Hello Saints, Curtis Gilbert—a senior pastor in Shiloh, Illinois, Kyle Beshears, —pastor of a nondenominational church in Mobile, Alabama, and Nate Fox—pastor of Lightstone Church in Herriman, Utah. This conversation is part of the Hello Saints Summit, happening June 11-20, 2024, which involves two dozen Latter-day Saint and Protestant presenters—all FREE to watch!


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00:02:06 – Introductions of the four evangelical pastors
00:07:11 – Unexpected call to serve as a bishop
00:15:38 – Pastors sharing their unique stories of being called into ministry
00:26:08 – Typical week in the life of a pastor
00:28:40 – Discussion on burnout and validation in pastoral roles
00:35:49 – Importance of humility and avoiding self-validation in ministry
00:43:46 – Involving and supporting pastors’ spouses in ministry

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