Jon Ogden is the author of When Mormons Doubt: A Way to Save Relationships and Seek a Quality Life, as well as an Op-ed for the Salt Lake Tribune: “Belief in ‘Sad Heaven’ hurts relationships in era of Mormon doubt.”

Interview Highlights

  • How our perspective of the afterlife can hurt our family relations with those who disagree with us. (3:38)
  • When relationships are defined by difference, it’s unhealthy. 5:40
  • Where did the concept of a “Sad Heaven” come from? 5:50
  • Reconsidering what constitutes success. 7:00
  • Will family relations be the way we think they will in Heaven? 8:00
  • Mr. Rogers & Pascal’s wager, “I love you just the way you are.” 10:10
  • Becoming closer to God by loving those as they are.  13:30
  • “You are worrying about the wrong problem. You just live worthy of the celestial kingdom, and the family arrangements will be more wonderful than you can imagine.” The Hope of Eternal Family – President Henry B. Eyring August 2016 Ensign 14:33
  • Finding common ground between believers and doubters. 18:10
  • Doubting is wrestling at an intellectual level. 19:20
  • Finding beauty, goodness and truth in the church and appreciating it. 20:25
  • Being open to uncomfortable historical facts of our church. 23:46
  • Finding and embracing beauty all around. 28:52
  • When I followed my religion, I became the man I want to be.  31:49
  • Why do we worry when people leave the church? 34:10
  • What if they don’t return to our church? 39:00


The Hope of Eternal Family—President Henry B. Eyring

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