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Kurt Francom, Executive Director of Leading Saints, flies solo for this episode as he talks about some invisible habits some leaders have that self-sabotage their leadership and diminish those around them.
Highlights
4:40 Invitation to become more reflective and ask yourself if you are possibly doing some of these things without realizing it
1. Creating a culture of unquestioned obedience to what the leader directs (6:00)
- This happens with the best intentions
- 6:30 Common example: Primary President doesn’t hear about changes in the Primary until it is announced in Sacrament Meeting because the Bishop is not giving them autonomy over their auxiliary
- 9:00 From Dan Pink’s book, “Drive”, three things every individual looks for: autonomy, mastery (becoming proficient at what they do), purpose (my opinions matter; I’m making a difference)
What to do about it:
- 10:50 Bishops should turn callings over to the auxiliaries, and then the bishopric can facilitate and encourage auxiliary leaders
- 13:20 Ask the Ward Council/counselors: How are decisions being made? Is this a problem?
- 13:40 One-to-one monthly interviews with your auxiliary leaders and counselors
2. A leader’s lack of motivation to acquire accurate self-awareness by seeking-out alternative perspectives and general leadership training (16:15)
- 17:00 Self-awareness about your approachability as a leader
- Subconsciously sabotaging difficult conversations
- 18:15 Story of Seminary/Institute teacher who always had the answer to questions
- 19:10 It’s not about having the right answer, but about having the conversation
What to do about it:
- 20:00 Ask, “How approachable am I?” and create a safe circumstance for others to come to you
- 20:40 Seek leadership training from every source possible
- 21:50 Elder Bednar’s leadership skills came from decades of experience as a professor and author, not simply because he is an apostle
- 23:30 Pick up a book
- 23:40 Seek out other resources such as conferences, websites, therapists, Leading Saints, etc.
3. Providing no venue to experience real connection (27:30)
- 28:00 Kurt’s experience at Wild at Heart Boot Camp: Men talking and connecting in ways that they don’t normally experience in elders quorum
- 30:35 “The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation” (Thoreau)
- 31:55 Never let a quorum meeting become another Sunday School class; create more connection
What to do about it:
- 32:45 Create vulnerability
- Sit in a circle
- 33:35 Stimulate the group with questions
- 34:40 Brene Brown’s books about vulnerability and shame
- 35:55 The leader needs to lead out with vulnerability
- 37:20 Vulnerability leads to trust
4. Church/family imbalance: An excessive emphasis on the importance of family responsibility that causes individuals/families to disengage with the Church (and vice versa) (38:10)
- 39:45 Quote from “The Divine Center,” by Steven R. Covey
- 41:25 Culture shifting to putting the family first and losing the balance with church service
What to do about it:
- 42:40 Talk about this dynamic as a bishopric and as a ward
- 43:10 Infuse your ward, Relief Society, or quorum with more purpose/vision
5. Creating unintentional shame (44:00)
- 44:40 Shame is the greatest counterfeit that the adversary uses instead of guilt
- 45:45 Shame comes with the best intentions but creates a dynamic of unattainable perfectionism
- 46:30 Quote from Brené Brown, from her book “Dare to Lead”
What to do about it:
- 47:20 Shame comes when the focus is on the behavior
- 48:00 Jane Clayson: Turn up the doctrine of grace
6. Too many targets and no vision (48:40)
- Every leader has a different inspired focus, so we end up trying to do it all
- 52:50 Doing it all leads to overwhelm
- 53:05 You have to give your people one target
What to do about it:
- 54:00 Have a clear objective and goal and unify around it
- Create a vision statement and give people a purpose
- Ask the difficult questions: How can we make these into one target
7. Excessive gestures of niceness, love, or spirituality meant to influence a person to choose a specific life path (55:10)
- 55:35 Nice Guy Syndrome: Dr. Robert Glover interview, “When the Bishop is Too Nice”, aka codependency
- 57:00 Avoid conflict and can’t say no
- 59:00 Don’t want to cause anyone to get upset, but also never create a bold vision and it diminishes influence
- 1:00:30 Story from author Rodger Duncan in “Leadership for Saints”
What to do about it:
- 1:04:55 Ask permission to hold people to a higher standard in their responsibilities
Links
- Contact Kurt: leadingsaints.org/contact
- Subscribe to the newsletter: leadingsaints.org/subscribe
- Multipliers: How the Best Leaders Make Everyone Smarter, by Liz Wiseman
- Drive: The Surprising Truth About What Motivates Us, by Daniel Pink
- Wild at Heart, by John Eldredge
- Dare to Lead: Brave Work. Tough Conversations. Whole Hearts., by
Brené Brown - The Divine Center, by Stephen R. Covey
- When the Bishop is Too Nice | An Interview with Dr. Robert Glover
- Not Nice: Stop People Pleasing, Staying Silent, & Feeling Guilty… And Start Speaking Up, Saying No, Asking Boldly, And Unapologetically Being Yourself, by Aziz Gazipura
- Leadership for Saints, by Ed Pinegar and Rodger Duncan
Love the info, you talk about one of the books to be in the top 10 books any leader should ready in their first six months in their position/calling. Can you do a podcast and talk about those books or at least publish a list and why you think they are valuable? Keep up the good work.
Business school turned me away from reading any book on leadership, or business, in general, to be honest. There was so much that was just insipid, fairly commonsensical, and/or lacking in rigorous thought and methodology. Can’t stand them. When I hear quotes from them, it drives me crazy, even when I agree with them!
Do I lack the motivation to learn about being a good leader? I would not think so, but the experience I have had with the types. of sources, you talk about have not been good.
I get much more out of history or lived experience than leadership books. I learned more about leadership in my PhD coursework in history than I ever did in business school and the materials used there.
I agree that history has been a more fruitful source of leadership learning for me. Reading biographies, in particular, has led to many insights on leadership. Some I recommend include Chernow’s Grant and Washington, as well as McCullough’s Truman and Adams. For example, from Grant we learn of a man who initially failed in his military career, only to rise to the pinnacle of leadership. In Truman, for instance, we learn of a man who captained his men with kindness in WWI but was tough on them when needed. And because of his great relationship with the men, he could call them on the carpet and inspire them to greater service. I could go on, but you’d learn more reading or listening to those books.
This was a fantastic podcast. I really appreciate your efforts.